32 thoughts on “Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma In Cats- VetVid Episode 024

  1. I would like to thank you, so much, for this informative video. I just found out today that my beloved cat has squamous cell carcinoma of the roof of his mouth. I am puzzled as to why my vet went ahead and extracted five teeth when he found two oral ulcers that he suspected were cancer. I am devistated with the diagnosis and why my vet would perform oral surgery. I know, from working in an acute care hospital for 23 years, that open wounds will accelerate the spread of a carcinoma.

  2. Thank you for taking your time to reply. Unfortunately you failed to address my concerns as to why the vet would do invasive surgery. I spoke to a family friend/vet who has been practicing for 26 years and he said although the only conclusive way to diagnose squamous cell carcinoma is via a biopsy. However; any experienced vet would be 90% accurate with a diagnosis based on the physical exam.

  3. @aaronshawniii Unfortunately this type of forum makes it difficult for us to address specific cases, best to discuss face-to-face with a vet so there can be a thorough understanding and some Q & A. Sounds like that is what you did. So sorry to hear about your cat.

  4. PurpleKnightSaber; Thank you so much for your feedback. My thoughts are inline with your oncologist. I feel like that the Vet put aside my beloved cats best interests for the almighty dollar. In a three week period, including the surgery, I paid over $1100 in vet bills. I know in my heart that the vet knew on examination that my cat had SCC. The surgery "estimate" was $250, I ended up paying over $700 for what I'm sure were procedures that will only accelerate the spread of the cancer.

  5. Elleleila; Thanks you so much for your rude, crass and totally inappropiriate comment. It just so happens that the vets I referred to are on the other side of the country and the procedure had already been done with out my consent. Oh yes, My beloved cat passed away on September 29th.

  6. I think most vets love animals. But they also spend a lot of time on their training. I think it's more interesting and prestigious for them to do far flung medicine such as radiation treatment and mandibulectomy But we can't treat our pets like they are humans. We can't make the decision for them that their life is worth at any price.

    So for goodness sake, think really hard before you submit your elderly cat to end of life biopsies, surgeries and cancer treatments.

  7. The cat has no idea of living 1 more month versus 6 more months, especially if one or two of those months will be spent on burning radiation treatment or painful surgery recovery.

    So if a vet is presented with an old cat with a lumpy mass growing in the mouth along with weight loss, I feel she ought to offer the options to perform biopsy, radiation and chemotherapy with some major caveats. But many of them do not, such as the one in this video.

  8. Veterinary journals suggest that less than 10% of SCC cases are good candidates for surgery. Chemotherapy and radiation rarely results in actual shrinkage of tumors. Only an aggressive type of radiation treatment has shown about 50% chance of remission resulting in a median duration of 170 days. It is also very expensive and might require the use of a feeding tube due to the side effects.

    We have to ask ourselves, are these results worth the deterioration in quality of life of the pet?

  9. I take some issues with the oncologist in this video. I feel that she presents a too optimistic picture of the outcomes of a cat with SCC, a cancer known to be extremely lethal and difficult to treat.

    I think, as pet owners, we must try to think really hard about the pros and cons of doing anything that might cause pain in our pets during their last months.

  10. @RhiannonRose63 bathing your cat regularly has shown to be an effective prevention against SCC. if you can manage, maybe it's something to consider for your other cats.

  11. @aaronshawniii my vet, too, wants to do biopsy, x-ray and chemo/radiation on my 14 year old cat. she's not showing signs of pain, just weight loss and an abscess on her neck which has been difficult to treat. she's probably going to live three months at most, with or without chemo/radiation. why put her through the agony of surgery and toxic treatments these last days of her life?

  12. My cat is 17 and ill with liver and kidney problems, so the vet did not do a biopsy. I really didn't want to put her through that, but the downside is the symptoms can fit a tumor or stomatitis, and I'd like some reassurance. The vet says she feels a tumor in her lower jaw, but that it wasn't there a couple weeks ago. She said it was fast growing. I find that impossible to believe. So either it was there and we missed it (which is okay) or it isn't there now and she has stomatitis.

  13. My 9-year old asymptomatic Siamese went for her wellness check, where a we found a node in her jaw and two diseased teeth. Upon extraction, the node was aspirated and sent for cytology. Shockingly, it was metastatic carcinoma.A week later, my vet found a lesion in her upper jaw, the next week, it had become a large mass and, with tears, we had her euthanized.

    To suggest aggressive treatment for this cancer is both unethical and inhumane, for the outcome is hopeless and death is inevitable.

  14. I absolutely agree with you. My cat was totally asymptomatic, kept indoors, not vaccinated, drank filtered water and ate the best quality food, as do all of my cats and dogs. This was a shock, for she had NO symptoms, but from diagnosis after a wellness check to death was less than a month.

    My vet raised chemo, but I rejected it and he supported my decision. Unless there is some kind of cure rate, to justify treatment, don't do it. Keep your cat comfortable and when it's time, let it go.

  15. My cat Eric was diagnosed with this in his mouth.He eats well,is playful ect. Anyone know if other cats can catch this by eatting in the same bowl,or drinking water in the same bowl? Because i have another cat

  16. My cat has this. I've: let him be as comfortable as I can and let it run its course. I don't have that kind of money tho give to a vet

  17. Electrochemotherapy is also a good treatment option for squamous cell carcinoma in cats with 4 publications have proven its efficacy. Visit www.leroybiotech.com for more information

  18. My cat has squamous cell in his mouth.. That cat is part of my life and the problem is i don't have money and I'm trying do all my best for him.. Please help me.. If anybody has another advices.. Please help me..

  19. My cat is almost 13 and around 5 weeks ago she started drooling suddenly so I took her to the vet who looked in the mouth and could not find anything. The drooling persisted so I demanded another appointment with a senior vet and a waiver of the consultation fee; during this visit he found a nasty SCC under the tongue. An X-ray and CT scan were undertaken and a 2 cm mass was found.

    Unlike this video I’ve been told by my registered vet, a pet Oncologist and an expert in pet medicine that chemotherapy can easily poison cats and does nothing to fight SCC and radiation therapy is not curative but prolongs life by a short period, all the while the cat would still be drooling, struggling to eat and in pain even with the strongest pain killers. Oh and they will try to bill you £10,000 for all of this.

  20. My cat was diagnosed with this last Wed but NO ONE has that kind of money she is saying we need to spend! Jesus Christ. We love our animals very much but they act like we are made of money!

  21. This is an absolutely untreatable cancer. Don't waste your money, there are ZERO reports of treatment being effective. 95% don't have side effects, 5% die. The 95% have ineffective treatment.

  22. My cat has this, and I am wondering if a therapy would put him in pain or if it would do him good. I seriously don't know what to do in this situation anymore… What do you think… Should we try a therapy or do we just let this happen and wait until he dies ?
    He is 10 Years old now

  23. I lost my boy today to this. He was 17yrs, 9 months. If your cat is diagnosed with this, get them on CBD oil w/ THC ASAP. Go with 50/50 or 1.1, and move up from there. I started him on it to late, but I think it might have slowed it down. Younger cats might fair much better, and if SCC was caught early enough to reverse it. I hate this disease ( as it took my baby from me ), and hope to live long enough to see the day a cure to this nasty cancer is found. It seems this cancer is more common then ever, and more research needs to be done on Cannabis to see if it does indeed kill cancer cells ( humans and pets ).

  24. My cat is sick .. it’s mouth is sticky n discharge or salaiva all the time ,, it has lost the appetite n lost weight, does not groom it self also .. can u help me in the diagnos..

  25. I had my cat put to sleep a few days ago. The prognosis for this cancer is poor. My cat was sneezing, drooling and has a bit of difficulty eating. He was still playful but I also noticed moments where he would be still and hunched over along with restlessness. He presented with loose teeth, and bone that was deteriorated. I could not bare to watch him suffer or even be uncomftorble for another second. To think it would be fair to put a friend you love through this is just wrong on every level.

  26. I've had cats all my life, never heard of this until the last year when mine contracted SCC. I'm blaming the treat industry for this epidemic.

  27. This video is horribly misleading and gives false hope. When my 17 year old cat was diagnosed with oral SCC, I did immense amounts of research.. Also talked to two vets, one being a specialist. The overall verdict, from EVERY SINGLE SOURCE (except this one) is that the cancer is A) extremely aggressive, B) will almost ALWAYS recur even with surgery, and C) is NOT controlled long-term by radiation therapy and chemotherapy.

    The surgery option, unless you catch the tumor EXTREMELY early (which is rare, because how often are you inspecting the inside of your cat's mouth?) is horrible and debilitating. A full or partial mandibulectomy – removing all or part of the cat's jaw – is the standard surgical procedure, and something like 80% of cats never eat again after this. It's awful.

    Radiation? Your cat will have to be away in a strange office daily for two weeks – and subject to horrible stress and even pain, all for a result where the tumor DOES mostly recur. Radiation is only effective is the tumor is small and concentrated in one area, particularly the lower front mandible. If the tumor has spread or exists anywhere else – the roof of the mouth, back of the jaw, or in a diffuse or linear manner – like my cat's tumor (and MOST Oral SCC tumors when they are found), radiation therapy cannot be focused and is useless.

    Our 17 year old guy has survived about 7 weeks since diagnosis, when we first started noticing the drooling. Unfortunately, we will most likely have to put him down next week. He can no longer eat, and he is bleeding from his mouth almost constantly and in pain when we don't have him massively drugged up with Dexamethasone, Gabapentin and Buprenorphine – all serious drugs, which are damaging his already weak kidneys at 17. 

    There are some anecdotal alternative treatments – one being Artemisinin and IP-6 – which we tried with our cat and we believe did have some effect, but the drawbacks were that my cat HATED it and would recoil from the taste, causing more bleeding and stress – and if anything, it seemed to only slow the progress – not stop it. If it works, it seems to just delay the inevitable, but there have been stories of some success, but I doubt it's common.. (I put this here just to give people coping with this horrible disease possible options, of which there are few.)

    The tumor literally came out of nowhere, and within two weeks had deformed part of his face and was causing ulceration inside his mouth and swelling around half his jaw. 

    Shame on VetVid. This video makes it sound like Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma is easily treatable and has a good chance at a positive outcome. This is NOT TRUE. Oral SCC is a grave, horrible, devastating disease that is quickly fatal (weeks to a few months) in something like 90% of cases. This vet sounds like she has never actually treated Oral SCC and is only reading from a book and making conjectures. I'm sure false authority syndrome will make VetVid blow off these comments (and there are many others agreeing) as armchair veterinary advice, but the information is out there and widely known BY VETS.

    To underscore, I DO have the money and ability to treat this if I could. I had a cat with cancer a few years back I spent five figures on treating and kept him happy for five years. If I COULD do something for my poor guy, I WOULD. Unfortunately the treatment is often worse than the disease, and this disease is AWFUL.

    Again, shame on you guys. And as far as people struggling with this and worrying that they're not serving their cat by spending thousands on veterinary procedures – DON'T BEAT YOURSELF UP. You can spend thousands on this disease and it's still going to take its horrible course and end in pain and suffering for your poor cat. Maybe if you catch it super early when the tumor is smaller than a pea and is on the tip of your cat's jaw, MAYBE there's a chance then. Otherwise? No. Palliative care is the option. With our guy it has been Dexamethasone (a corticosteroid – which has truly helped some days and made him act almost normal though the pain), Buprenorphine (a strong and strictly controlled opioid, for when the pain is acute), Gabapentin (this helps with nerve/bone pain, and also sedates your cat), and then mostly a liquid diet as the disease got worse.

    I am heartbroken about having to say good bye to my sweet boy next week. I do not euthanize quickly or lightly, or just because I think something's expensive. But this disease.. It's just horrendous. I have had about a dozen cats in my lifetime, most living well into their late teens – and this has just been the worst. Be prepared for that, and make decisions accordingly. Don't let your friend suffer. Keep him or her comfortable as long as you can, and when it's time, you will know. And don't listen to garbage advice like this VetVid video, which sounds like it wants to encourage you to spend thousands on procedures that most likely will only prolong your friend's suffering.

  28. just had my kitty pts because of oral cancer…we thought stomatitis…it happened so fast…started with a boney growth front lower jaw 🙁

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